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Written By: John Fuda
2006-03-13 00:00:00
I went back and forth between doing and not doing this, but even though logic said I should not have done this, and should just wait for HD Sat locals to be available, the tinkerer in me won and I had to start messing with stuff.
First I tried the non-directional approach: http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062075 A RatShack omnidirectional antenna. It dropped everything, except 29, into the low 70's, and could not get a lock on 35 at all. It had to go!
All my stations are pretty much in two different directions, so two directional antenna's were the way to go.
I ended up using one of these: http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103088 pointed at 152 degrees and one of these: http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103085 pointed at 280 degrees. I have them both connected to matching transformers, those transformers connected to a 3' length of RG6 each, connected to a splitter/combiner, then connected to the RatShack amp (I know it's not very good, but was on clearance for $29, so I gave it a try), then connected via 80' of RG6 to the indoor portion of the amp, and finally connected to the receiver.
It was a mixed bag... 4 and 5 got worse, 9, 12, and 29 got better, 35 got worse - however, this is the first time that I could get any signal at all on 32 without 29 getting bad multipath (before 29, though showing 81, was actually jumping all over the place and would lose lock duing actually viewing).
BEFORE, WITH TERK HDTVa INDOOR ANTENNA:
4-1 WOAI-D: 100%
5-1 KENS-D: 98%
9-1 KLRN-D: 73%
12-1 KSAT-D: 85%
29-1 KABB-H: 81%
35-1 KRRT-H: 65%
AFTER, WITH ANTENNA "ARRAY" MOUNTED IN ATTIC:
4-1 WOAI-D: 84% degradation, picture good
5-1 KENS-D: 88% degradation, picture good
9-1 KLRN-D: 78% improvement, picture good
12-1 KSAT-D: 94% improvement, picture good
29-1 KABB-H: 98% improvement, picture good
35-1 KRRT-H: 59% degradation, picture bad
I think I can get some improvement by reducing the 80' of RG6 to about 15', and possibly negating any need for an amp. See, I trried to salvage an old run af RG6 that was leftover from a previous sat install. However, this had the RG6 being ran from the antenna's location (almost directly above the receiver) all the way to the back of the house, to the grounding block, then all the way back to the front of the house... an 80' trip counting the ups and downs.
However, I could use some existing "holes" in the wall/ceiling, with a total of only 15' or less between the receiver and antenna. I can also reduce the "leads" connecting the two antenna to the splitter/combiner to 12" each, since the 3' is overkill.
Also, since the receiver has a 3-prong, gounded plug, does the antenna "array" need to be grounded (it's in an attic, not outside), meaning I can get by with one less connection by skipping the grounding block.. The indoor antenna I was using, which was located only 5' away from where the "array" is now located, was not grounded.
I'm going to see what kind of results I get by shortening the leads. I may also have to play with the orientation of the antenna with the wife observing signal strengths, rather than the "up and down the ladder" routine I used this morning.
Other possible courses of action:
- get a better amplifier, like this one: http://www.antennasdirect.com/antenna_amplifier.html (3rd one down, PA-17 UHF/VHF Low Noise Pre Amplifier).
- try a second UHF only antenna, pointed at 280 degrees for 32 (another $25), will also need a 3-to-1 splitter combiner, or use twin-lead to mate the antenna together with a single matching transformer comming off this "mini array".
- If I start seeing any multipath, I can try a Channel Master Jointenna. I see they're available for about $30 each with a 2-week turnaround.
Written By: John Fuda
2006-03-15 00:00:00
I've done a lot of reading over the past several days.
Right
now I have it working pretty well WITHOUT using any bandpass
filters/jointenna devices, however, I just barely have channel 32
(68%), and changes in atmospheric conditions will probably make it go
away. I get another channel in the high-60%s that comes in perfectly
clear, but for some reason, I get macro blocking for a few seconds
every couple of minutes on 32, even though the signal remains at 68%
+/- 2.
How did I do this, you ask? After reading about multiple
antennas having to be in phase, and that the way a balun/matching
transformer is connected can affect this, I simply reversed the
connectors on one of my matching transformers and saw a gain of 10%
signal accross the board.
However, there are a few things I'm going to do to get it working a little better.
First I'm going to replace the Radio Shack amplifier with a CM 7777 preamp.
Next,
I'm going to use a CM 0585-2 jointenna tuned to let only channel 32
pass on one of my UHF antennas. I will use the jointenna to join my
"all channels" UHF antenna with my "channel 32" UHF antenna. I will use
my existing Radio Shack UHF antenna and a CM 4228 to do this, but I'm
not yet sure which will be the "channel 32" antenna and which will be
the "all UHF" antenna. The output of the jointenna will be connected to
the UHF seperate input on the CM 7777.
Per conversation with
Channel Master yesterday, when using the 7777 in seperate mode, the
inputs are filtered to pass only their designated signal type, UHF or
VHF.
Becuase of this, I can connect the combination VHF/UHF
antenna to the VHF seperate input on the 7777, and the 7777 will only
pass the VHF signal from it.
I've attached a diagram outlining
my plan. I ordered the 7777 preamp and 0585-2 jointenna from Warren
Electronics yesterday, and was told to expect them in two weeks due to
it being a custom order.
I'm going to see if I can find a 4228
locally, since shipping on one from Warren Electronics is over $17.
According to the message I got from Channel Master yesterday, Lowes
sells CM products, so hopefully one of my local stores will have one.
Here's the diagram:

Written By: John Fuda
2006-03-10 00:00:00
I currently have my indoor antenna, a Terk HDTVa, aimed at 157 degrees, which gets most of my stations in zip code 78244. Here's a screencap of my antennaweb results:

I get all of the channels I want with these results:
4-1 WOAI-D: 100%
5-1 KENS-D: 98%
9-1 KLRN-D: 73%
12-1 KSAT-D: 85%
29-1 KABB-H: 81%
35-1 KRRT-H: 65%
2-1 KBEJ-D: Cannot Lock (may not be broadcasting yet)
The unlisted channels are channels I do not care to receive.
Anyway, my Dish VIP-622 does not work well with anything less than a 70% signal, so I can't really watch 35-1
So,
I was thinking about springing for an outdoor antenna - just for 35 -
and then realized it would be easier to than originally planned. See,
when Dish came and upgraded my system last week, they consolidated the
previously 2-cable feed into the house into a single cable using some
splitter/combiners. So now I have a nice piece of RG6 running from the
prime location for an antenna (pointing at channel 35) right to where
my receiver is.. so all I'd have to do is mount, connect, and point the
antenna.
I was looking at this antenna: http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103088
It's a 40" 17-element UHF only antenna, and it's only $25. I can point
it at 280 degrees and see how it works. If it's not strong enough I'll
add a preamp.
Now, the big question, am I asking for trouble by
having an amplified VHF/UHF antenna that's on about 12' of cable and
pointed at 157 degrees and an unamplifed UHF antenna on about 40' of
cable pointed at 280 degrees? I know HD won't "ghost" like analog, but
if it's getting 2 identical signals a fraction of a second apart, will
it be able to lock on to just one of them? My concern is with the
stations I get really strong signals for... 4, 5, and 12. I seem to be
able to get them no matter which way I point my indoor antenna, so it
may be that the outdoor antenna will pick them up as well, even though
it's not pointing towards them. Am I asking for truoble?
Of
course, it's possible that the outdoor antenna, even pointed at 280
degrees, may be all I need and I can get rid of the indoor antenna all
together (though I'll need a VHF antenna to get 9).
I do not
want to use a rotor, becuase - if I set up a timer on my VIP-622, it
may not be pointing in the right direction when the timer fires. I need
a solution that does not require any interaction on my part - with the
antenna anyway.
After some more research, I've found
a few possible solutions, inlcuding ordering a custom bandpass filter
that will only pass the one channel (32) I want. Prices start at $30
and they take 2 weeks to fill an order, I may also need an opposite
filter for the other antenna (block only 32 and let everything else
pass) which will cost another $30. So that's $60 worth of filters and
$25 for an antenna.
An other option is to get a really good hi-gain multidirectional antenna, like this one: http://www.antennasdirect.com/DB8_HD_Antenna.html
and use it as my sole antenna. It will probably simpler to mount, and
it's price is not much more than my "maybe" solution above. I could
even use a set of rabbit ears with a matching transformer mounted to
the antenna to get the one VHF station I want, without having to use a
seperate full-size VHF antenna.
The neat thing about that UHF
antenna is that it's multidirectiona - or, from what I've read, more
like bi-directional, in that it receives as well on either end of a 180
degree axis. Given this, and its high gain, I [i]should[i] be abel to
tune in my UHF stations in the 150 degree neighborhood with one side of
the antenna and the 280 degree station with the other side by facing
the antenna at 125/305 degrees or so, and the VHF antenna at 170/350
degrees (to get 9, and later 2 when it starts transmitting). This
solution would run me about $120 without a preamp, and about $170 with.
A
similair, radio-shack based solution would run about $96 without preamp
and $155 with preamp but might not be as reliable becuase it requires
using 2 of the http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103088
antennas and the VHF rabbit ears. In this case the antennas would be
mounted very close togher, one pointing at 155 and the other at 280. I
have read several posts around the web that this works reliablely,
without ghosting/HD drop-off
Anyway, I think I may just let this
go and wait for Dish to prvide HD locals in San Antonio. I only watch
one show on the WB (smallville) which will probably be in reruns soon,
and by the time the new season starts that station wont be WB anymore
(don't know who's getting the CW) So, it's probably not worth the
trouble. I can still watch the WB in SD.
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